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    Teen Group Challenging West Palm Beach Curfew Law

    WEST PALM BEACH, Fla. - Almost two years after West Palm Beach passed a controversial teen curfew law, a group of teens is challenging the ordinance.

    Jeffrey Nadel, president and founder of the National Youth Rights Association of Southeast Florida, believes the curfew is unconstitutional.

    "The ordinance is far too vague to understand," Nadel said. "It's incomprehensible and it's overbroad."

    The ordinance -- which bars anyone under the age of 18 from the downtown district without a parent after 10 p.m. on weeknights and 11 p.m. on weekends -- has been lauded by the city.

    "Downtown West Palm Beach is practically crime-free since we put in this curfew," Mayor Lois Frankel said. "It's been one of the most successful initiatives in the history of the city."

    Records show police have issued more than 600 curfew warnings. But the Boca Raton-based teen group claims that, however effective, the curfew is not the right approach to combating underage crime.

    "A lot of society's problems could hypothetically be solved by curtailing essential civil liberties," Nadel said. "If there's too much speeding or too many car accidents, we can outlaw driving. But that's not the way to address this."

    This week, the group retained civil rights attorney Barry Silver after efforts to pressure city commissioners to rescind the ordinance failed.

    Last year, Silver successfully fought the city to overturn a similar ordinance that banned feeding the homeless on downtown streets.

    "If the city of West Palm Beach spent half as much time trying to keep lobbyists and business people from interfering with their commission meetings and commission activities as they do trying to keep the homeless and kids off the streets, they'd be much better off," Silver said.

    Silver is preparing to sue the city on the grounds that the curfew is unconstitutionally vague and impossible to legally enforce.

    The city, however, has no plans to back down.

    "I think they're wrong," Frankel said. "You know what? Their parents need to baby-sit for them, not our police."
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    As usual, excellent work, Jeff!!!
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    Video of the interview is located at http://www.wpbf.com/video/19058860/index.html
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    Thanks so much, Katrina. We were just very excited that MSNBC picked it up.
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    Oh wow, MSNBC. Nice.
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    But the Boca Raton-based teen group claims that, however effective, the curfew is not the right approach to combating underage crime.
    I don't know if that's a good idea. You may want to instead focus on the drain of police resources that curfew enforcement necessitates. But it's your campaign, and you've definitely been successful in the past, so it's your call.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Adamantaimai View Post
    Oh wow, MSNBC. Nice.
    Oh shi- I didn't even catch it was MSNBC. Very fucking good work.

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    That's right, Jeff! You're just doing this to put "RAW RAW, FOUGHT THE POWAH" on your college application! Nothing to do with ending discrimination!
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    LOL, I swear, it seems that's all anyone can come up with to say against Jeff! On the chapter's Facebook group page and elsewhere!
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    "I've never understood what it is about having sex that makes women dirty. I can recall countless conversations I've had or overheard over the years about women's supposed sexual dirtiness. Struggling with the irrationality of it all, I've often wondered how it's possible that a penis could have such power, that by merely being in the vicinity of a woman's genitals, it could transfer some kind of ambiguous filth onto us. Or perhaps women are just born dirty, and the sex merely reinforces our sullied selves' true nature." -Jessica Valenti

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    Well, at least it's something new. None of this 'LOL U R A PEDOFILE' shit for Jeff!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Václav Havel
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    "I've never understood what it is about having sex that makes women dirty. I can recall countless conversations I've had or overheard over the years about women's supposed sexual dirtiness. Struggling with the irrationality of it all, I've often wondered how it's possible that a penis could have such power, that by merely being in the vicinity of a woman's genitals, it could transfer some kind of ambiguous filth onto us. Or perhaps women are just born dirty, and the sex merely reinforces our sullied selves' true nature." -Jessica Valenti

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    Only if you're thinking logically, which these people clearly don't understand the concept of!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Václav Havel
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    Quote Originally Posted by Agnapostate View Post
    I don't know if that's a good idea. You may want to instead focus on the drain of police resources that curfew enforcement necessitates. But it's your campaign, and you've definitely been successful in the past, so it's your call.
    Hey. Thanks so much for your comment. They kind of misunderstood, I think. We don't say that it's not the way to address youth crime; I think what they were referring to was the point I was making with this quote:

    "A lot of society's problems could hypothetically be solved by curtailing essential civil liberties," Nadel said. "If there's too much speeding or too many car accidents, we can outlaw driving. But that's not the way to address this."
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    Quote Originally Posted by jnadel View Post
    Hey. Thanks so much for your comment. They kind of misunderstood, I think. We don't say that it's not the way to address youth crime; I think what they were referring to was the point I was making with this quote:

    "A lot of society's problems could hypothetically be solved by curtailing essential civil liberties," Nadel said. "If there's too much speeding or too many car accidents, we can outlaw driving. But that's not the way to address this."
    My own two cents:

    If you can't disprove the mayor's claim that this is cutting crime in the short term, it might be effective to talk about the long term effects of forcing youth to see police as their enemies instead of their friends, and causing youth who dare to be outside at night to identify with criminals instead of with law-abiding citizens.

    But good job!

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