Galen;228293 wrote: Jeff, how much more fucking anti-YR can you BE?
If you define the Rights of young people in the negative, I am not for Youth Rights at all.
Ignorance, indoctrination, disability, crippling, dependency…
None of them, I support not one of them.
Why must he grow to be anything? What's wrong with being forever young (mentally)?
Nothing inherently, except for how terribly impractical this proves to be.
Just because someone can't possibly achieve what YOU arrogantly consider to be "quality of life" doesn't mean that they don't possess their own life.
Where they do possess one it deserves to be given equal consideration for the purposes of best serving and protecting that life. That's something people who claim to "care" for them where they are only maintaining them in a poor condition are unwilling to acknowledge, and must be helped to understand.
What you define as a curse could be, in many ways, a blessing.
I recognized it is a blessing to those who dedicate their lives to the care of the disabled. Others' shortcomings give them their opportunity to assist them, more or less permanently.
I believe in assistance, aid, education, all of these ideas, principally speaking.
I believe it is inappropriate however to revere this as the highest calling.
The highest calling is to stand on your own two feet, dispite all the obstacles facing you.
It's isn't the be the fireman, it's to not set the fire out of malice or carelessness in the first place. That's the highest calling. Prevention — leadership in a meaningful direction, not merely the maintenance of a complex of ever-more-catered to failure and dependency-creation.
We could all never leave our crib effectively, but that's not how it was supposed to happen.
We were meant to claim our World. And the next one.
This process dosen't end because we've discovered a way to maintain vegetable gardens, treat the sick, and live reasonably comfortably.
It can all end fairly easily if we don't make progress — and not the abstract and possibly life-threatening kind that machine-led progress alone may yield us.
Machines can help us think. The mistake is to let them substitute for our thinking at all.
Independance and all that is great, but he has no concept of what that even IS and therefore neither misses it nor hungers for it. He is not the miserable half-human you seem to think him.
No, he's less than that.
That's what really troubles me about him and those like him and our catering to them. He's happy to be maintained by sentient people.
But Mongoloids are easily amused after all.
His easy amusement equates to the material disability of how many others to support his ignorant bliss? And to what productive benefit?
You talk about not being emotional about issues Galen, and making sense in reasoning, and then you defend disability like it was a chosen right, something to be cherished and protected…
What possibly for, what do you identify in that that you find desirable or worthwhile?
You defend failure and weakness. I don't understand you Galen.
I can only think you identify with it, and why I do not understand.
You are an educator. It is your goal to enrich the lives of others with knowledge which is useful to them. Certainly there is an element of emotional satisfication in knowing you've done that well and there are better educated people in the World because of it…
But don't be vain about it. The valuation of the exercise is still relative to the target audience and their capability to absorb — not to mention the quality of — the lesson.
We have much power as freely-acting agents, as people who can choose to do anything we want.
Some appreciate this capability more than others and employ it more effectively.
But it dosen't culminate in a collective agenda. Merely a relatively common one between like-beings with like-interests.
Those who fail to keep pace shouldn't be cause to stop progress in those who are achieving it.
That has a certain value, and carelessness shouldn't be had in determining where to place the boundry of a larger efficiency relative to a population that is not capable of joining and being productive in that efficiency.
But that boundry must be placed, progress cannot be curtailed on account of a few idiots, a few animals, or a few fools.
Frankly, the very idea of killing those that we somehow judge to be incapable of ever having a "normal" life is so goddamn SICK that I'd like to vomit in your lap right now.
My lap is unavailable for your vomiting.
Euthanasia is what was proposed in certain cases, no one is discussing "killing" anyone here from what I observed, except for a few hysterical individuals such as yourself.
ohsnapitstephen;228439 wrote: he is sleeping in my bed right now.
He's your "Pillow Angel" then. What you're doing is sick.
Its not selfish or inhumane at all, he makes progress, slow progress but progress none the less. and it has nothing to do with my emotional needs, if i was selfish i would wish him dead now, so that i would fell less pain that when he is to die in 7 years.
he is my brother and he is a happy child, he is not a pet.
What you define as progress is merely a protracted development in his continued suffering, he's not going to lead a normal human life no matter what you do with him.
He is happy, like he is alive, because you take care of him.
Your parents don't have the discretion to do what is necessary to end his suffering, and you're perpetually prolonging it while convincing yourself this is the right thing for him.
This is unfortunate and for the mental health of society, not to mention physical, an intervention might needed in your brother's case.
To allow this to continue is healthy for noone and dangerous to your mental health as his family. The decision to do what is right in this case is too difficult for you. That is why there exist programs to deal with people just like your brother, where they will receive the compassionate services that you are failing to provide him.
Rosencrantz;229186 wrote: Oh my, Galen brought out the cee word.
Anyway, let's look at this thought from a more simplistic point of view:
Do murder small, helpless children.
Don't murder small, helpless children.
Gee whiz, which sounds like it should be illegal?
Yes Eurip, kids have rights. Even the mentally handicapped ones.
I recognize their Rights. I recognize them when their caretakers, for their own selfish motives want to pretend they don't have any, and that they represent their interests, when their interests are unclear or favor more serious attention than can be provided in a home environment.
It's not for individuals to make these kinds of decisions without documentation of what is being done for the ward, or without medical and mental examinations to be taken of them.
Society has an interest in seeing that they are protected, no matter what the parents or caretakers may want for them. They are not the deciders in this kind of matter, the state is. The wards are entitled the benefit of public scrutiny of their conditions and to see that justice be done on their behalf.
If it were up to misguided people such as the parent's of Steven's brother, there is no telling what kinds of conditions people such as Steven's brother would be living in. They deserve society's protection.
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