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Do you think the voting age is fair, or do you think it should be changed?

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9:20 pm
January 20, 2007


Adam

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From a local teen website in Nashville, TN:

Do you think the voting age is fair, or do you think it should be changed?

“I think it’s fair because older people usually have had more experience.”
- Francis, Father Ryan

“I think it’s fair. That’s the age when you get most other responsibilities, and it’s like a reward.”
- Ross, Spring Hill

“I think it should be changed because teens should have a say of who’s running the country. We live here, too!”
- Armesha, Madison Academy

“I think it’s fair because younger people aren’t as educated.”
- Cori Anne, Franklin

“I think it’s fair because that’s when you’re legally an adult.”
- David, Father Ryan

“I think it’s fair. Some people younger than 18 are responsible enough, but I think 18 is a good age.”
- Lesley, Hume-Fogg

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11:06 pm
January 20, 2007


Yasha

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Adam… not to be a hard ass, but please check out the rules for posting in the News Wire forum.

This forum is only for news articles, not e-mail alerts or content taken from websites. All new threads in this forum automatically generate a non-forum page like this: http://www.youthrights.org/article.php?threadid=9792

They are linked to from the main page under the assumption they are news stories. Also, new threads here shouldn't have any editorial comments. Just the content from the source, or it looks bad.

Finally, there seems to be a good amount of confusion about the category checkboxes. The checkbox is BEFORE the label. You put this post in the "nyra related" category, which is only for articles that mention or quote NYRA and our members. I assume you meant to list this as voting age.

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3:34 am
January 21, 2007


The Quail

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“I think it’s fair. Some people younger than 18 are responsible enough, but I think 18 is a good age.”
- Lesley, Hume-Fogg

With that logic, why don't we advocate raising the voting age to 20, because it's divisible by 10? wink



3:37 am
January 21, 2007


Liberationist

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Adam;225073 wrote: From a local teen website in Nashville, TN:

Do you think the voting age is fair, or do you think it should be changed?

“I think it’s fair because older people usually have had more experience.”
- Francis, Father Ryan

“I think it’s fair. That’s the age when you get most other responsibilities, and it’s like a reward.”
- Ross, Spring Hill

“I think it should be changed because teens should have a say of who’s running the country. We live here, too!”
- Armesha, Madison Academy

“I think it’s fair because younger people aren’t as educated.”
- Cori Anne, Franklin

“I think it’s fair because that’s when you’re legally an adult.”
- David, Father Ryan

“I think it’s fair. Some people younger than 18 are responsible enough, but I think 18 is a good age.”
- Lesley, Hume-Fogg

I think all the above people are too stupid to be allowed to vote.

3:40 am
January 21, 2007


Tempus Fugit

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I disagree. Just because you disagree with someone does not mean you or anyone else has the right to take their rights away.

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3:42 am
January 21, 2007


Liberationist

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Tempus Fugit;225120 wrote: I disagree. Just because you disagree with someone does not mean you or anyone else has the right to take their rights away.

I was giving them a taste of their own medicine Adam.:bored:

3:43 am
January 21, 2007


Tempus Fugit

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Well, that's stupid. Your "sarcasm," or whatever you want to call it, as has been pointed out before, is not funny or always easy to detect.

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3:54 am
January 21, 2007


Liberationist

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Tempus Fugit;225122 wrote: Well, that's stupid. Your "sarcasm," or whatever you want to call it, as has been pointed out before, is not funny or always easy to detect.

Or maybe you people are just slow on the uptake.

If you people are unable to understand basic communication for whatever reason quit trying to cover up for it by blaming me.

3:55 am
January 21, 2007


SciVille

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Hey, now, Armesha had the right idea.

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4:32 am
January 21, 2007


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Yeah! Go Armesha! And I believe that no matter how stupid you are, it's your right to vote.

"Thanks for your e-mail and I appreciate the fact that you articulated your viewpoint in a rational and cogent manner. A few questions though, Stefan. Who are you voting for in the Presidential Election this November? Kerry? Bush? Oh, you mean you can't vote? Why is that? What kind of car do you drive? Ford? Jeep? Oh you mean you don't drive. Why is that? Why is that you can't just stay home for the rest of the year and not go to school? Why?"

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5:02 am
January 21, 2007


MiNi

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Adam;225073 wrote: “I think it’s fair. That’s the age when you get most other responsibilities, and it’s like a reward.”
- Ross, Spring Hill

A reward? For what? Surviving the hell that is earth for 18 years? That's the stupidest thing I've ever heard.

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6:45 am
January 21, 2007


Liberationist

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MiNi;225144 wrote: A reward? For what? Surviving the hell that is earth for 18 years? That's the stupidest thing I've ever heard.

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11:42 pm
January 21, 2007


Tempus Fugit

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SciVille;225124 wrote: Hey, now, Armesha had the right idea.

Exactly.

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8:07 am
January 24, 2007


robexib

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Though I'm more with Galen's opinion on this (there should be NO voting age) I'm willing to lower it to anything. Even 17 would be an improvment. BTW, @ Mini's retort, XD. *pos-reps.*

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2:37 am
February 24, 2007


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I am against there being a voting age in the first place. Whoever wants to vote should be allowed to. Not that that is a realistic goal, even lowering it by a year would be amazing as things are going, but that is what I am aiming for, and if I could reform a state as I saw fit, there would be no voting age. There would however be checks to keep abuse of this to a minimum. For example, a parent could not register a child to vote, nor help a child vote if the child clearly does not know what he or she is doing. Only children who took the trouble to register themselves for the vote (and parents forcing children to do so or to vote would be subject to penalties) would be allowed to do so.

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2:03 pm
February 24, 2007


G-Max

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The problem with a minimum voting age is not the assumption that everyone under 18 is stupid; the problem is the assumption that everyone above that age is competent. A rigorous test should be required for voting, just like for driving, and said test should be the same for all demographic groups. That way, we filter out the stupid adults while still allowing the smart kids to have their voice.

6:31 pm
February 24, 2007


why18

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But why do we need to test voting? Voting "badly" isn't dangerous like driving badly is. In fact, what is voting badly? Voting for a candidate you don't like? But who decides who is voting badly? It is my belief that in a democracy, by definition it is nobody's place to second-guess anybody's vote. If we can do that, then if I were put in charge of determining who is capable, I might decide that all Republicans in the US are incapable of voting. It is the right of US citizens to vote, no matter how they should choose to use that right. After all, stupid people have issues that affect them too.

However, if the only way people would agree to lower the voting age would be if a test was put in place, I would agree to that. The test I would use would be something like a final exam for a government course. Name the three branches, what each one does, what does the First Amendment say, stuff like that. Probably also throw in some current events. Name 3 issues in this election and similar questions.

"Thanks for your e-mail and I appreciate the fact that you articulated your viewpoint in a rational and cogent manner. A few questions though, Stefan. Who are you voting for in the Presidential Election this November? Kerry? Bush? Oh, you mean you can't vote? Why is that? What kind of car do you drive? Ford? Jeep? Oh you mean you don't drive. Why is that? Why is that you can't just stay home for the rest of the year and not go to school? Why?"

- New York City Councilman James Oddo, in a letter to me, October 2004.

12:38 am
February 25, 2007


Kletta

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why18;231748 wrote: It is the right of US citizens to vote, no matter how they should choose to use that right.

If someone isn't born a U.S. citizen, don't they need the kind of test you described for citizenship?

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1:38 am
February 25, 2007


why18

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Yes. The test I am proposing is similar to the one used as a citizenship test.

"Thanks for your e-mail and I appreciate the fact that you articulated your viewpoint in a rational and cogent manner. A few questions though, Stefan. Who are you voting for in the Presidential Election this November? Kerry? Bush? Oh, you mean you can't vote? Why is that? What kind of car do you drive? Ford? Jeep? Oh you mean you don't drive. Why is that? Why is that you can't just stay home for the rest of the year and not go to school? Why?"

- New York City Councilman James Oddo, in a letter to me, October 2004.

3:21 am
February 25, 2007


Delusionistical

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G-Max;231742 wrote: A rigorous test should be required for voting, just like for driving, and said test should be the same for all demographic groups. That way, we filter out the stupid adults while still allowing the smart kids to have their voice.

Totally excellent idea. That makes a bit more sense than just letting go of the voting age.

Its too often where I see people my age saying one candidate sucks, not because they have any reason to dislike them, but because they're just going with popular opinion (the biggest damn problem with high schoolers…). A one-time-test that, should you fail, you would be allowed to take it the next year, would help out a bit in giving intellegent people, regardless of age, a chance to vote.

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