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7:14 am December 9, 2004
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XavierAKadafi wrote: If every person under 21 in this country started a riot or joined one at the exact same time, you'd have mass chaos… it would solve something… The government wouldn't have the power to control it.. They wouldn't be able to use violence on their own citizens.. So Congress would hustle to meet our demands.. it'd be like the revolution… The revolution was one big ass riot… But, I'd say we aim for doing things the right way, first…
Someone read 1984. Revolutions tend to reploace tyrany with itself under the justification of protecting freedom.If the mob took over yes we would win but do the means justify the ends? The immediate opressors(parents,teachers etc.)would be hurt and we might gain our freedom but it woudn't prevail.The mob would go home and they would pass new laws.And our immediate opressors?Isn't it worth hurting them?No, they were victims for 18 years of their lives and they are brainwashed too.They don't do this for cruelty.They think they are doing good. The ones in Wasgington need to be hurt not them.Let us take example fromk the past civil rights movements.Black and woman and others in other countries.Susan B. Anthony and Martin Luther King.Gandhi.Peace was the only thing that worked. Summice to say:Good fire can put out bad fire but the good fire will go bad. We need water.
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8:13 am December 9, 2004
| XavierAKadafi
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I wasn't implying we actually aim to do that..
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"Mosh now or die
And if I get sniped tonight
You'll know why..
Cuz I told you to fight!"
-Marshall Mathers; Mosh (Encore)
Katrina says:
lots of fun, there were even a couple of dogs there!
Katrina says:
it's not a party without a dog ;)
"I drove for miles and miles and wound up at your door / I've had you so many times but somehow I want more" says:
… Kat, I don't want to think about what you do with dogs…
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9:58 am December 9, 2004
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Hydro: Didn't I say I was finished with you? Don't waste the effort, you're not worth my time.
Katrina, no worries. I'm not fighting a battle of wits against an unarmed opponent. He's making a big enough fool of himself; he doesn't need my help.
-Galen
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10:01 am December 9, 2004
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Oh, yeah.
Hydrogen, all I'm going to say is quit thinking anybody here actually agrees with you on this. What you're suggesting will set us back worse than anything else could.
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7:52 pm December 9, 2004
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anonymous wrote: ANONYMOUS IS BACK!!!!
Yay! 
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3:52 am December 11, 2004
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KPalicz wrote: Yay! 
Thank you!
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4:07 am December 11, 2004
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anonymous wrote: Good fire can put out bad fire but the good fire will go bad.
You can't start a fire with snow. Especially yellow snow. 
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11:27 pm December 11, 2004
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anonymous wrote: Someone read 1984. Revolutions tend to replace tyrany with itself under the justification of protecting freedom.If the mob took over yes we would win but do the means justify the ends?
Revolutions without violence are best, but there are exceptions. The Revolution of 1776. I glad the founding fathers fought to secure our freedom, but I sad most people don't care about freedom any longer. 
- Hardy
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7:17 pm December 12, 2004
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Exactly.We talk about freedom so uch we think we will always have freedom in America because we think America defines freedom. Peaceful revolutions work in the long term iolent ones work in the short term and they give you time to think up a long term solution.
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12:30 am December 19, 2004
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tisk tisk tisk… This thread disapoints me. I thought the youth rights movement was better than that. When will we all realize that you cannot achieve peace through violence. Violence will only perpetuate discrimination at this point. The purpose of youth rights is not to lash back or to separate ourselves as youth. It is to UNITE the human race as all human beings regardless of age.
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12:33 am December 19, 2004
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anonymous wrote: Peaceful revolutions work in the long term violent ones work in the short term and they give you time to think up a long term solution.
Doesn't this logic proove why a peaceful revolution is the only way. A revolution that starts violent will end violent and will never end except injustice. What are you proposing doing? Going to the streets to kill our parents'? Fuck youth rights if your going to do that. DOn't even fucking call yourself a part of this movement because violence will only destroy everything that everyone has worked for up till now and shatter all hope of age equality.
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5:50 am December 19, 2004
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Why not use violence? It wasn't until women met force with force that they won the vote.
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5:57 am December 19, 2004
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xavierakadafi wrote: Tell your mom and the cops to fuck off as we all march down the street, to the capital, piss on the lawns of the white house then demand our rights..
The ageist politicians piss on the constitution every time they pass a youth curfew, and you think that we should go and piss on the white house lawn in response?
hydrogen18 wrote: If your going to riot over government action you should rape and pillage city hall then burn it. Police stations are a good starting point if you are underarmed.
What good is that gonna do?
Galen wrote: The Reverend Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr. WON his goal and he did so WITHOUT violence and in just a few years!
The Civil Rights movement was not all peaceful. The civil rights movement started out peacefully. It eventually turned violent because the Black's demands for equality were not met. In many major cities across America, during the 1960's, the blacks rioted. Martin Luther King and other civil rights activists urged their followers to remain peaceful, but they could not contain their anger and frustration. The government took notice and in 1964 the Civil Rights Act was passed. So in this situation violence worked. Though I do not think that violence will work here. You really can't compare the youth rights movement to the civil rights movement. The blacks were denied rights because they were hated. White people used violence against blacks, and the blacks retaliated with a violent revolution. Youth are denied rights because people beleive that they are not mature enough to handle those rights, not becasue we're hated. We don't need to use violence to deal with ignorance we just need to promote a more positive image of young people. Adults are not violent towards youth, so why should we be violent towards them. If we initiate violence, we will be seen as the bad guys.
Adam wrote: Don't demonize the enemy- realize the reality
I like that one. Here's another two that pertain to this topic Spread hope not hate You can't fight fire with fire
Whether or not violence should be used depends on what issue you're dealing with. With most youth rights issues it's just not worth it. I mean are you going to kill people over the right to drink, vote or gamble? With curfews it is different. If youth committed more crime after the institution of a curfew, then the curfew would almost certainly be ended. Actually with respect to cufews, I see violence as the only option. No one will listen to our voice, but if they see that the curfew only makes things worse, they'll repeal it.
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7:37 am December 21, 2004
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The ageist politicians piss on the constitution every time they pass a youth curfew, and you think that we should go and piss on the white house lawn in response?
That'd be pretty dumb since you would be defacing something you pay for(provided you pay taxes to America). You might as well piss on your own front lawn.
How about performing a citizens arrest of their kids when they violate the curfew? I guess you could murder all the Secret Service agents who try and stop you, although I don't think they would be "self defense".
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