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10:06 pm November 4, 2003
| Watchaduen
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Quote: "Learning self-control, through a study of the bible. Helping them learn inner control. Since 1978, Bethel Baptist Boys and Girls Academy has been helping young people regain their lives through our LORD Jesus Christ. Set in the rustic atmosphere of southeastern Mississippi, children gain help without the negative influences so common is today's society. "
This is the description of Bethel Boys Home and Bethel Girls Home in Lucedale, Mississippi. What people are questioning now is whether the rustic setting acts as a calming influence in children's lives, or is it a way to cover up the truth of what Reverend Herman Fountain and his son John are accused of doing to the many children who have come to them throughout the school's years of existence. Horrific accusations have surfaced from both boys and girls who resided in these homes. Included in the accusations are instances such as being forced to eat vomit, electrocution, denial of medical care, and whippings that left not only bruises, but scars for life. Many people are wondering how and why these homes are still in operation. The latest story stems from a parent whose son was at Bethel for a mere three and a half days. Cheryl Struble is a mother who enrolled her 15 year old son into Bethel in hopes of helping him get "back on the right track". A lifelong Christian and loving mother, she was excited at the prospect of helping her son, and he also admitted that he was glad to be going somewhere that could help him. Bethel Baptist not only came highly recommended by a Teen Counsel group in her area, Cheryl had lengthy conversations with the co-founder and his son and felt assured that this was the best option for her family. As her husband made the half-day trip into Mississippi to drop off their son, Cheryl began surfing the net on a mission to find out every detail of Bethel Boys Home, feeling that by doing so she would feel closer to him in his absence. Cheryl found more than she bargained for. Not only were there an abundance of horror stories from previous students of Bethel Baptist, there was also the news that Herman Fountain had been imprisoned for striking an officer, apparently in an attempt to stop him from performing part of an investigation into the boys home. Cheryl called her husband, who was then en route back home after having dropped off the boy. He let her know that he had been very impresssed with the home, the students, and with the Fountains, so they decided that the past must be the past and everything would be ok. However, Cheryl couldn't shake the feeling that something was wrong. She made phone calls to Mississippi offices questioning whether the school was safe, and over the next two days was told by almost every agency called to "go get your son out of there". This time Cheryl and her husband made the trip to Mississippi together. Once at the home, they watched as their son walked up to the truck. Here is what Cheryl had to say: "He came walking up with a black eye, numerous cuts on his head. He had bruises, kidney punch bruises, and he'd been hit so hard in the side you could see the knuckle marks". Her son reported that his first beating had taken place just ten minutes after his father had left the school. The son had managed to sneak three telephone numbers of other children out of the boys home. Cheryl called all of those families, and immediately the parents came to pick up their children. From a hotel room they called the attorney general's office. A criminal investigator was sent to take reports from the four boys. Bethel was paid a suprise visit and thirteen additional children were removed. This was not an isolated complaint of abuse. Christina Owen, now a 34 yr. old women, spent 3 years at Bethel as a teen. Christina states that for her, the first beating also came almost the moment she arrived, and was administered by Herman Fountain and in the presence of another student. "He used his hands. He backhanded me so hard in the face I flew out of my chair on to the floor. No one helped him, he told me to get up and I didn't fast enough for him I guess, cause he just about ripped my hair out of my head lifting me off the floor. I got there in the middle of the night sometime and the next morning for breakfast we had rice with sugar. It was the worst and I refused to eat at this time David Owens who was over the girls dorm snatched me again by my hair out of my chair and flung me around by my hair like a rag doll telling me I was ungrateful and I was going to eat every bite of that and if I puked I would eat that too." Following are quotes taken from others who feel they've been terrorized and scarred for life by abuse endured at Herman Fountain's facilities.
"One time I was being accused of "lying" about being on my monthly cycle… they said I was being "prissy"…… and I was made to go "prove" that I was actually indeed having a cycle. I cannot begin to say how humiliating that was for me to have to pull my underwear down and "prove" that I was having a monthly cycle. " –Lisa
"No sooner than my father drove away from the drive at Bethel the owner there, Herman Fountain, proceeded to scream relentlessly at me, telling me I was worthless and a whore and many other things as you can imagine that would go along with this type of name calling. Herman Fountain allowed me to speak, but only to silence me with a backhanded blow to the face." –Ty
"Some of the girls here would be beat with switches till they bled from their bottoms. I am very sure some still have scars to this day. Just like the slaves in that time frame were beaten, Bethel has done the same, treated children the same, and in most cases worse than slaves." –Chris
Despite the allegations, Bethel Baptist remains open. The courts have crafted an agreement requiring Reverend Herman to relinquish all interest and control in the academy, although he retains his position as pastor at the church. A consent decree with Bethel states "The Defendants shall remove any and all electric fences from the areas surrounding the property of the Defendants upon which Bethel Boys Academy is located. The Defendants shall be prohibited from the further use of electric fences and/or other electrical devices in or around the premises of Bethel Boys Academy. The Defendants shall be further prohibited from the use of any electrical devices of any type whatsoever in the discipline of any children residing at Bethel Boys Academy."
—————— Cheryle – "My Son Was ABUSED & TORTURED at Bethel Baptist Academy, Lucedale, MS.
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Cheryle – "My Son Was ABUSED & TORTURED at Bethel Baptist Academy, Lucedale, MS. a.k.a. Eagle Point Christian Academy, Respect Camp, Pine View Academy"
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5:45 am November 5, 2003
| Facekhan
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If someone did that to me or my kid I would come for them in the middle of the night, cut them into 50 pieces and mail one to each state. But thats just me, I believe in justice. I'd do the same to Hitler.
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8:22 am January 21, 2004
| Bongermann
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If i was ever put in one of those places i would beat the living shit right out of the pastor. Then I'd take his lifeless body and drag him by a truck through the nearest town. But then again If i went there id kick whoever sent me theres ass first.
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We brag about our rights, our liberties, our freedoms. We fight for other nations peoples rights, we pride ourselves with these things we hold sacred, things set in stone by the Constitution of this United States! But! How many of us actually stop and think about what few liberties and freedoms we have left?
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Billy[COLOR=Magenta], [COLOR=YellowGreen]I'm [COLOR=Magenta]BIG [COLOR=Cyan]and [COLOR=Yellow]I want[COLOR=Indigo] YOU.
~That is like saying that a man has the right to rape a girl who dresses like a hooker because she forfeited her right to her virginity.~
– Suff said something… smart. Wow.:cute:
I'm gonna Wrath you up good, you little Shinzo! :lol:
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2:03 pm January 21, 2004
| Magisterdark
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If that guy was to ever hit me like that i'd kill the motherfucker.
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5:40 pm January 21, 2004
| harlu
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if someone ever did that to me i'd chain him to a chair and cut out his eyes, ears and tongue, hook him to a feeding tube and let him pray in eternal darkness until he goes mad with suffering
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5:49 pm January 21, 2004
| Facekhan
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I think we should all go speak before the sentencing reform comittee and suggest these things to them for child abusers and cult leaders
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11:01 pm January 21, 2004
| Bongermann
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Remember that a cult is any religious group and that the government can define you how they want. The word cult has no meaning anymore.
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We brag about our rights, our liberties, our freedoms. We fight for other nations peoples rights, we pride ourselves with these things we hold sacred, things set in stone by the Constitution of this United States! But! How many of us actually stop and think about what few liberties and freedoms we have left?
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Kevin James Biersteker,
Libertarian Chemist and
Keeper of the 420.
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Billy[COLOR=Magenta], [COLOR=YellowGreen]I'm [COLOR=Magenta]BIG [COLOR=Cyan]and [COLOR=Yellow]I want[COLOR=Indigo] YOU.
~That is like saying that a man has the right to rape a girl who dresses like a hooker because she forfeited her right to her virginity.~
– Suff said something… smart. Wow.:cute:
I'm gonna Wrath you up good, you little Shinzo! :lol:
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2:27 am January 22, 2004
| de82
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I can't for the life of me understand why 'schools'like this remain in business. Free Enterprise is no defense since a human being is not a commodity. Not even the 1st Amendment applies here. If it does then the police had no right to arrest Charlie Manson and his family. It is the clear that the Courts went as easy on the Reverend as was possible under the law. They obviously don't care about justice.
If a young person commits a crime, then of course justice should be served but these places are often worse than prisons and you don't need to to break the law to find yourself imprisoned in one -you just need your parent's permission. This kid was sent there by his mother, not a court! Where is the due process? Where is the 14th Amendment or the goddamned EIGHTH Amendment(the one that protects prisoners from "cruel and unusual punishments" like, say, being forced to eat vomit!) Answer: These private enterprises are above the Bill of Rights! This is why only the government is allowed to deprive a citizen of their rights in any SANE democracy. This why we have courts and judges -the entire Judicial Branch; to prevent shit like this from happening!
Whenever I read stories like this I want to send a letter to my senator. I mean, it is so INEXCUSABLE, even from a traditional, non-youth rights perspective. If only our politicans cared. But of course they don't. If they did, they would have shown some concern by now instead of ignoring it as they do. No matter how many people come forth as witnesses, no matter how much real, photographic evidence we can produce these places will not be shut down through legal means.
[This message has been edited by de82 (edited January 21, 2004).]
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3:38 am January 22, 2004
| Facekhan
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This is one of the reasons NYRA exists. The entire system of having people with virtually no rights from 0-18 is insane. It not only creates an entire class of people who can be victimized at any time with almost no recourse but also creates an entire beauracracy that is intended to be the voice for those who are not allowed to speak for themselves. But when social workers and child protective services are staffed at maybe one worker for 2 or 3 hundred kids and most kids who are abused in these places never even got in enough trouble to even be a file on some social workers desk.
If I were sent to one of these places I would have been more than willing to kill to escape. Especially in a foriegn program. A pencil through an eye or throat of any staff member who is unfortunate enough to be convenient. I don't care if they are the nicest staff member in the place. They are the enemy and deserve to die.
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2:38 pm January 22, 2004
| Imperium
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I have recommended the path of force in the past to deal with such establishments as Bethel, and I shall do so again. We MUST stand up for our own, because no one wil do so for us!!! Also, it seems clear to me that the only way to communicate with such people as Herman and John Fountain is throguh fear and force-and a roving, well-armed paramilitary platoon 10-20 strong would instill plenty of both in the likes of the Fountains. Besides, from a purely practical perspective, the actions of this force would make our own views seem more mainstream by comparison.
P.S. It vindicates me to see someone who agrees that corce is called for to deal with these gulags. Thank you for your support, de82!!
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"I am the inferior of any man whose rights I trample underfoot."-Robert J. Ingersoll
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5:40 am May 7, 2004
| shane
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I was in Bethel. I really like this thread. :-)
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6:16 am May 7, 2004
| Euripus
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Same Fascist clap-trap…
"Teaching" (imposing) "Self" (0UR) - "Discipline" (ORDER)
Self-discipline comes from the *SELF,* mein Fascist fuckwits. So TELL ME ANOTHER ONE.
Also, wink-nod to the paramilitary thing.
Sounds like a hoot, and a useful hoot at that.
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Euripus is defunked yo :p
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8:46 pm May 8, 2004
| shane
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The DoD should commit a Special Ops unit to take out the heads of these organizations, especially the ones over seas. Thousands of Americans being held hostage, sneaky financial networks, radical teachings, beating and torturing… Sounds like terrorism to me.
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12:15 am May 21, 2004
| Watchaduen
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Bethel and the Fountains (the owners/operators) have made it into the news once again. They believe the only way to treat kids entrusted to their care is to beat and torture them.
Sheriff says girls moved from Bethel Home in Petal
The Associated Press
PETAL — About 40 teenage girls have been removed from a privately run, at-risk home in Petal and the case was turned over to the Forrest County Youth Court.
The girls were transferred Wednesday night from the Bethel Home to an undisclosed location for their safety, said Sheriff Billy McGee. State Department of Human Services spokesman Rick Whitlow said Thursday the agency would have no comment.
“We’re referring all inquiries to the youth court in the county,” Whitlow said.
Under Mississippi law, Youth Court proceedings are confidential.
Sheriff Billy McGee said several state agencies — including DHS, the attorney general’ office and the Mississippi Department of Environmental Quality — were at the privately owned facility for teenage girls for most of the day Wednesday.
“Apparently, the state received some complaints regarding some sort of mistreatment of the girls,” McGee said. “I really don’t know what those complaints are, we were just called in to provide security and to transport the girls to a different location.”
The sheriff said that the parents of the girls were being notified to come and pick up their children.
“Until they are picked up from that location, they are under the custody of DHS,” he said. “Overall, there are about 30-40 kids involved.”
McGee said the Bethel Home is located in Petal, near the Jones County line. He said the facility was operated by a church but he was not sure which one.
—————— Cheryle – "My Son Was ABUSED & TORTURED at Bethel Baptist Academy, Lucedale, MS.
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Cheryle – "My Son Was ABUSED & TORTURED at Bethel Baptist Academy, Lucedale, MS. a.k.a. Eagle Point Christian Academy, Respect Camp, Pine View Academy"
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5:47 am May 21, 2004
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I was a student at Bethel Girls Academy from May 30 to November 22, 2003. Simply stated, Bethel was the greatest thing that ever happened to me. Upon entering the academy, I was failing school, I had NO respect for authority, I was addicted to alcohol and drugs, I had NO moral code whatsoever, and I NEVER mentioned the Lord's name unless it was in the punch line of some cruel joke. I WAS HEADED STRAIGHT FOR HELL. In the six months I spent at Bethel, I was able to get caught up with my school (which is a miracle all in itself), but more importantly, I was able to gain a relationship with my Lord and Savior, Jesus Christ. The types of obstacles we faced at Bethel were NOTHING in comparison to the obstacles we face in the real world. The kinds of things I put myself through everyday prior to attending Bethel were much harder on me than anything I ever encountered while at Bethel. The hardships I endured at Bethelwere nothing more than speed bumps in my Christian life. Amidst the persecution of Christians in the early days of Christianity, the Apostle Paul wrote, "I can do all things through Christ who strengthens me" (Philippians 4:13). This became my motto while at Bethel and it is still very meaningful in my life today. And as far as allegations of abuse go, I was never a victim or a witness of any type of physical or verbal abuse durring my six months in the program. I am deeply offended by the things people are saying about the Fountain family; these people have devoted their lives to helping troubled teens like myself. Bethel Girls Academy and the Fountains helped me to become the independent young woman that I am today, and I am forever thankful for that!
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6:28 am May 21, 2004
| Facekhan
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"Of all tyrannies, a tyranny exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It may be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end, for they do so with the approval of their consciences." - C.S Lewis
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7:32 am May 21, 2004
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When I was there, these were some of the things I witnessed and experienced at the hands of Herman Fountain:
Slapping in the face, punching in the head, beating with a stick until bleeding, girls being called "harlots", boys being called "sodomites", sleep deprivation, intense forced excercise as punishment (often just after eating), forced Bible memorization under threat of beating, being held against one's will, being denied water and bathroom breaks, etc. But, if you like that sort of thing…
I was forced to help build a couple of the buildings that are still being used by the Fountains to make money with today. And I lost an entire school year.
Herman Fountain still runs the girls home and the boys home, but maybe he's changed. I guess we should all just forgive him, right?
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5:50 pm May 21, 2004
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Does anyone know whether anyone has tried to sue Bethel (or any other gulag school) for damages?
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"Powerful people never teach powerless people how to take their power away from them." – John Henrik Clarke
If this is true why are you still going to a school run by adults?
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7:33 pm May 21, 2004
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-shane– how long ago were you at Bethel? …how long were you there? I'm sorry if you feel that you were mistreated or if you really were mistreated at Bethel. I guess the experience varies from person to person but I really feel that it has changed my life… Bethel is a MILITARY school, my parents understood that when they entered me into the program… excercizing is part of it. I don't know what you did to get sent there, but I deserved to be where I was. I understand that some people feel that this is not the right way to opperate, but the strategy at Bethel is to break you down before they build you up. YEAH Bethel was hard and sometimes unfair, but thats what I needed, and I'm glad for it. I'm not going to say that I think you should feel the same way as I do, I just wanted to give my side of the story…
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10:17 pm May 21, 2004
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I'm not going to argue with you because it really makes no difference what I say. You will always defend the Fountains. Maybe it's because you don't want your parents to send you to one of those places again. Or maybe it's because you're scared of the Fountains themselves. Or maybe it's because it often takes 10-20 years for victims of this kind of abuse to come to grips with it.
When I was there (in the 80's) the girls and boys were at the same home. It really wasn't a military school. And maybe you should talk to someone who's been in military basic training lately, because it's much more humane than Bethel. Besides, the US Military is training consenting adults to fight wars. It takes a lot of behavioral conditioning to get a person to kill another person.
Herman Fountain is still in charge!!!
Yes, there are about fifty (50) victims who were in both the girls home and the boys home recently. They will be filing a civil suit in Federal court soon. It's too bad there will probably never be any criminal charges filed against the assholes. But, that's typical for these kinds of cases.
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